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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2008/05/21/more-on-inequality-and-prices/#comment-471</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The issue I have with this is the fact that, even if living standards are increasing for the average poor person, any poor person who atypically chooses to buy goods generally associated with the rich is going to be much worse off.  That&#039;s probably not so terrible if that good is caviar, but quite a bit more worrisome if that good is a medical procedure.  So living standards for the poor are increasing, but the goods that rich people buy more often may be getting further out of reach.

(Though having mentioned medical care as an example of a high-inflation &quot;rich people&quot; good, I should mention that most research shows that medical prices are increasing because of new, expensive procedures, while prices for any given procedure have generally fallen.)

Still, on the whole, this is very positive news.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue I have with this is the fact that, even if living standards are increasing for the average poor person, any poor person who atypically chooses to buy goods generally associated with the rich is going to be much worse off.  That&#8217;s probably not so terrible if that good is caviar, but quite a bit more worrisome if that good is a medical procedure.  So living standards for the poor are increasing, but the goods that rich people buy more often may be getting further out of reach.</p>
<p>(Though having mentioned medical care as an example of a high-inflation &#8220;rich people&#8221; good, I should mention that most research shows that medical prices are increasing because of new, expensive procedures, while prices for any given procedure have generally fallen.)</p>
<p>Still, on the whole, this is very positive news.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Whiteford</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2008/05/21/more-on-inequality-and-prices/#comment-417</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Whiteford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 05:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This appears to give an opposing view - i.e. in Australia at least the price rises in things that are bought regulalrly is greater than thing bought irregularyl http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2008/05/26/regular-inflation-in-australia-guest-post-from-bruce-bradbury/#comments]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This appears to give an opposing view &#8211; i.e. in Australia at least the price rises in things that are bought regulalrly is greater than thing bought irregularyl <a href="http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2008/05/26/regular-inflation-in-australia-guest-post-from-bruce-bradbury/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2008/05/26/regular-inflation-in-australia-guest-post-from-bruce-bradbury/#comments</a></p>
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		<title>By: Blissex</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2008/05/21/more-on-inequality-and-prices/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blissex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 18:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[«They find that the prices of goods poor Americans tend to purchase have risen less rapidly than the overall inflation rate.»

Sure, but that may simply mean that&#039;s why the poor tend to purchase those goods. Consider beans vs. steak: the poor may perhaps buy more beans than steak precisely because bean prices may be growing less rapidly than those of steak. This does not mean that their well being is decreasing more slowly -- because beans are not a perfect substitute for steak.

For example, there has been phenomenal inflation in the cost of health care and college education, two services that are consumed much more by the rich than the poor. Does this mean that the relative well being of the poor has increased because only the rich can afford to consume services whose price has been rising fast?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>«They find that the prices of goods poor Americans tend to purchase have risen less rapidly than the overall inflation rate.»</p>
<p>Sure, but that may simply mean that&#8217;s why the poor tend to purchase those goods. Consider beans vs. steak: the poor may perhaps buy more beans than steak precisely because bean prices may be growing less rapidly than those of steak. This does not mean that their well being is decreasing more slowly &#8212; because beans are not a perfect substitute for steak.</p>
<p>For example, there has been phenomenal inflation in the cost of health care and college education, two services that are consumed much more by the rich than the poor. Does this mean that the relative well being of the poor has increased because only the rich can afford to consume services whose price has been rising fast?</p>
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		<title>By: Blissex</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2008/05/21/more-on-inequality-and-prices/#comment-411</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blissex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 18:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[«There is an inherent asymmetry here - the rich may *choose* caviar over baked beans, but the poor do not have that choice available to them.»

Well, you don&#039;t understand the &quot;free market&quot; sophistry here: sure the poor have that choice. It is is free market after all: nobody is holding a gun to their head saying &quot;you buy caviar instead of beans, I pull the trigger&quot;. As Mike says:

&quot;Such inflation will shrink my CPF, but I had decided I want zero of that good already,&quot;

poor people simply *decide* what they don&#039;t want (e.g. health care, college education, holidays in Aspen).

Nobody is coercing those poor people to decide one way or another -- every choice they make must be of advantage to them over those they have not made, because there is no coercion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>«There is an inherent asymmetry here &#8211; the rich may *choose* caviar over baked beans, but the poor do not have that choice available to them.»</p>
<p>Well, you don&#8217;t understand the &#8220;free market&#8221; sophistry here: sure the poor have that choice. It is is free market after all: nobody is holding a gun to their head saying &#8220;you buy caviar instead of beans, I pull the trigger&#8221;. As Mike says:</p>
<p>&#8220;Such inflation will shrink my CPF, but I had decided I want zero of that good already,&#8221;</p>
<p>poor people simply *decide* what they don&#8217;t want (e.g. health care, college education, holidays in Aspen).</p>
<p>Nobody is coercing those poor people to decide one way or another &#8212; every choice they make must be of advantage to them over those they have not made, because there is no coercion.</p>
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		<title>By: Blissex</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2008/05/21/more-on-inequality-and-prices/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blissex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 17:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[«If one wants to define well-being as actual consumption, as Will Wilkinson does in his post,»

In that case then any money that is not spent on actual consumption does not contribute in any way to the well being, and any money not spent in consumption by high earners can be taxed way, as it contributed nothing to the well being of the high earner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>«If one wants to define well-being as actual consumption, as Will Wilkinson does in his post,»</p>
<p>In that case then any money that is not spent on actual consumption does not contribute in any way to the well being, and any money not spent in consumption by high earners can be taxed way, as it contributed nothing to the well being of the high earner.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2008/05/21/more-on-inequality-and-prices/#comment-408</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 18:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The greater the trade, the closer in shape becomes the wealth distributions  among trading partners.  Another affect, is the flattening and spreading of the wealth distribution, more workers fill in more slots.

What matters is how smooth the wealth distribution becomes as trade increases, and whether it is more symmetrical than before.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The greater the trade, the closer in shape becomes the wealth distributions  among trading partners.  Another affect, is the flattening and spreading of the wealth distribution, more workers fill in more slots.</p>
<p>What matters is how smooth the wealth distribution becomes as trade increases, and whether it is more symmetrical than before.</p>
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		<title>By: Lane Kenworthy</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2008/05/21/more-on-inequality-and-prices/#comment-406</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lane Kenworthy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 08:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike:

If one wants to define well-being as actual consumption, as Will Wilkinson does in his post, then either of your first two options might be right. A broader definition of well-being would include capability, as in your third option.

Lane]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:</p>
<p>If one wants to define well-being as actual consumption, as Will Wilkinson does in his post, then either of your first two options might be right. A broader definition of well-being would include capability, as in your third option.</p>
<p>Lane</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2008/05/21/more-on-inequality-and-prices/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the reply on relative versus absolute poverty - I will be interested to see further discussion of that. 

On this one, I think you&#039;re spot on. It is remarkable how often poverty and inequality become confused. It is in my view absurd to imply that the rich and the poor&#039;s consumption bundles are primarily different because of their preferences. There is an inherent asymmetry here - the rich may *choose* caviar over baked beans, but the poor do not have that choice available to them.

Incidentally - though he wasn&#039;t asking me -  I would vote for the third of Mike&#039;s &#039;translations&#039;. Whether we buy the capabilities approach wholesale or not, I think it would be odd to argue that decreasing my range of possible consumption bundles does not affect my well-being.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the reply on relative versus absolute poverty &#8211; I will be interested to see further discussion of that. </p>
<p>On this one, I think you&#8217;re spot on. It is remarkable how often poverty and inequality become confused. It is in my view absurd to imply that the rich and the poor&#8217;s consumption bundles are primarily different because of their preferences. There is an inherent asymmetry here &#8211; the rich may *choose* caviar over baked beans, but the poor do not have that choice available to them.</p>
<p>Incidentally &#8211; though he wasn&#8217;t asking me &#8211;  I would vote for the third of Mike&#8217;s &#8216;translations&#8217;. Whether we buy the capabilities approach wholesale or not, I think it would be odd to argue that decreasing my range of possible consumption bundles does not affect my well-being.</p>
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		<title>By: disinterested observer</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2008/05/21/more-on-inequality-and-prices/#comment-404</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[disinterested observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 18:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The other issue here is that while it can be argued that consumption may be a better measure of current living standards than income, the difference between disposable income and consumption is available for savings. People concerned about inequality also point to widening dispersion of wealth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other issue here is that while it can be argued that consumption may be a better measure of current living standards than income, the difference between disposable income and consumption is available for savings. People concerned about inequality also point to widening dispersion of wealth.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2008/05/21/more-on-inequality-and-prices/#comment-403</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 15:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ken: I specifically mean inflation in a good I don&#039;t buy. 

Such inflation will shrink my CPF, but I had decided I want zero of that good already, so my basket of goods does not change.

My question is whether Lane feels this is a reduction in my well-being. And is that what&#039;s driving Lane&#039;s objection to the study?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken: I specifically mean inflation in a good I don&#8217;t buy. </p>
<p>Such inflation will shrink my CPF, but I had decided I want zero of that good already, so my basket of goods does not change.</p>
<p>My question is whether Lane feels this is a reduction in my well-being. And is that what&#8217;s driving Lane&#8217;s objection to the study?</p>
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		<title>By: eightnine2718281828mu5</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2008/05/21/more-on-inequality-and-prices/#comment-402</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eightnine2718281828mu5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 15:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Am I missing something, or do the words &#039;medical&#039; and &#039;health&#039; not appear in Broda&#039;s paper?

Seems a rather glaring omission to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I missing something, or do the words &#8216;medical&#8217; and &#8216;health&#8217; not appear in Broda&#8217;s paper?</p>
<p>Seems a rather glaring omission to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Houghton</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2008/05/21/more-on-inequality-and-prices/#comment-401</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken Houghton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 14:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to see Mike&#039;s model: the one where the frontier moves, but the tangent remains the same.

Unless he&#039;s arguing that he borrowed (more) heavily to maintain the same standard (basket), in which case the answer presents itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to see Mike&#8217;s model: the one where the frontier moves, but the tangent remains the same.</p>
<p>Unless he&#8217;s arguing that he borrowed (more) heavily to maintain the same standard (basket), in which case the answer presents itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 21:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you are saying that a shrink in my consumption possibility frontier reduces my utility even if it does not change my purchased basket of goods?

I disagree. I think the goodness of the purchased basket of goods, minus the badness of the money I paid, equals my utility (putting aside everything non-economic :) )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you are saying that a shrink in my consumption possibility frontier reduces my utility even if it does not change my purchased basket of goods?</p>
<p>I disagree. I think the goodness of the purchased basket of goods, minus the badness of the money I paid, equals my utility (putting aside everything non-economic <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>By: Will Wilkinson / The Fly Bottle &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Inequality of Capability?</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2008/05/21/more-on-inequality-and-prices/#comment-398</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will Wilkinson / The Fly Bottle &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Inequality of Capability?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 19:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Kenworthy kindly responds: We should care about inequality of income not simply because it contributes to inequality of [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: walmart and economic inequality &#171; orgtheory.net</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[walmart and economic inequality &#171; orgtheory.net]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 18:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Walmart. Lane first offers a clean rebuttal, followed by a Wilkinson defensive jab, and then an uppercut from Lane to settle matters. How did things settle? This from Lane: Even if consumption inequality [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Walmart. Lane first offers a clean rebuttal, followed by a Wilkinson defensive jab, and then an uppercut from Lane to settle matters. How did things settle? This from Lane: Even if consumption inequality [...]</p>
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