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	<title>Comments on: Are Interest Groups the Source of Our Economic Woes?</title>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2009/02/02/are-interest-groups-the-source-of-our-economic-woes/#comment-1019</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can it really be that France has a lower unionization rate than the US, as indicated by the last chart?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can it really be that France has a lower unionization rate than the US, as indicated by the last chart?</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Huggan</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2009/02/02/are-interest-groups-the-source-of-our-economic-woes/#comment-994</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Huggan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think interest groups are the problem so much as how they are used by policy-makers.  Oil was still being subsidized with tax breaks while it hit $150/barrel.  Ideally there would be sunset clauses in policy.  An oil tax break until profits reach a certain threshhold.

I view the lobby heuristic as:
1) Someone screens the lobby applications to Congress or whoever.
2) The application explains how a certain policy shift does more good than harm, and Congress verifies the analysis.
3) Either the lobby bill is discovered to be able to overcome its own transaction costs and still do good, and is passed.  Or not, or it is close and is rewritten.

Right now pork scales with lobby budget.  IDK where things are getting screwed up...media could help educate Americans to screen #1 better.  Alot of administrative work that prevents Congress from analysing the bill especially under a deadline.

What I&#039;m saying is that when Bills are passed now, not including sunset clauses results in inertia and sweeps the hard part of how to re-evaluate the bill under the rug.  When you look at cutting stuff, you have to relearn why a Bill was passed all over again (which is great if you get paid 6 figures to plagerize history).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think interest groups are the problem so much as how they are used by policy-makers.  Oil was still being subsidized with tax breaks while it hit $150/barrel.  Ideally there would be sunset clauses in policy.  An oil tax break until profits reach a certain threshhold.</p>
<p>I view the lobby heuristic as:<br />
1) Someone screens the lobby applications to Congress or whoever.<br />
2) The application explains how a certain policy shift does more good than harm, and Congress verifies the analysis.<br />
3) Either the lobby bill is discovered to be able to overcome its own transaction costs and still do good, and is passed.  Or not, or it is close and is rewritten.</p>
<p>Right now pork scales with lobby budget.  IDK where things are getting screwed up&#8230;media could help educate Americans to screen #1 better.  Alot of administrative work that prevents Congress from analysing the bill especially under a deadline.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m saying is that when Bills are passed now, not including sunset clauses results in inertia and sweeps the hard part of how to re-evaluate the bill under the rug.  When you look at cutting stuff, you have to relearn why a Bill was passed all over again (which is great if you get paid 6 figures to plagerize history).</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Houghton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Houghton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you accept 1973 as the flashpoint (the data appears to support 1967/8 as well, but the economists&#039;s consensus is currently clear), then there is an Obvious Cause: floating FX rates.

Changing the off-diagonal data in the covariance matrix from zero (so that it was subject to Slutsky effects) intuitively should impede direct growth measures.

(I am in no way against floating FX rates; they&#039;re both a weapon in the arsenal, and an indicator of confidence and a good thing--ask the &quot;I want to be paid in Swiss Francs&quot; crowd.  But if you&#039;re looking for cause and effect, it seems that Changing the Rules would have more of an effect than &quot;special interest groups&quot; [especially since RE translates to &quot;I got mine Jack&quot;].)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you accept 1973 as the flashpoint (the data appears to support 1967/8 as well, but the economists&#8217;s consensus is currently clear), then there is an Obvious Cause: floating FX rates.</p>
<p>Changing the off-diagonal data in the covariance matrix from zero (so that it was subject to Slutsky effects) intuitively should impede direct growth measures.</p>
<p>(I am in no way against floating FX rates; they&#8217;re both a weapon in the arsenal, and an indicator of confidence and a good thing&#8211;ask the &#8220;I want to be paid in Swiss Francs&#8221; crowd.  But if you&#8217;re looking for cause and effect, it seems that Changing the Rules would have more of an effect than &#8220;special interest groups&#8221; [especially since RE translates to "I got mine Jack"].)</p>
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		<title>By: kthomas</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2009/02/02/are-interest-groups-the-source-of-our-economic-woes/#comment-979</link>
		<dc:creator>kthomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 02:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff, Lane. Olson sounds like a quack, or a well-paid historical revisionist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff, Lane. Olson sounds like a quack, or a well-paid historical revisionist.</p>
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		<title>By: barry payne</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2009/02/02/are-interest-groups-the-source-of-our-economic-woes/#comment-978</link>
		<dc:creator>barry payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>adam smith anticipated the problem of special interest groups when he demonstrated contradictory incentives of self interest that work against each other as the basis of the wealth of nations

one incentive was portrayed to improve one&#039;s welfare in one&#039;s self interest independent of others&#039; welfare, while the other acts to obstruct that outcome for others, in order to improve one&#039;s own welfare

the first case represents pure growth from a libertarian perspective of unhindered pursuit of self interest with no necessary trade-offs, while the second case represents impediments to that growth by special interests

smith&#039;s warning of the second case implied interference which would prevent the first case from resulting in maximum growth, the latter dependent on unified forces of self interest, competition and free markets which worked together to form the invisible hand

in other words, back then, competition and free markets meant the same thing (to smith) as desirable outcomes of the pursuit of self interest which drove resources to their highest valued use - in contrast to now, where monopoly capitalism has emerged as the vulgarized version of free markets and competition, both undermined by special interests whether through private market power or public manipulation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>adam smith anticipated the problem of special interest groups when he demonstrated contradictory incentives of self interest that work against each other as the basis of the wealth of nations</p>
<p>one incentive was portrayed to improve one&#8217;s welfare in one&#8217;s self interest independent of others&#8217; welfare, while the other acts to obstruct that outcome for others, in order to improve one&#8217;s own welfare</p>
<p>the first case represents pure growth from a libertarian perspective of unhindered pursuit of self interest with no necessary trade-offs, while the second case represents impediments to that growth by special interests</p>
<p>smith&#8217;s warning of the second case implied interference which would prevent the first case from resulting in maximum growth, the latter dependent on unified forces of self interest, competition and free markets which worked together to form the invisible hand</p>
<p>in other words, back then, competition and free markets meant the same thing (to smith) as desirable outcomes of the pursuit of self interest which drove resources to their highest valued use &#8211; in contrast to now, where monopoly capitalism has emerged as the vulgarized version of free markets and competition, both undermined by special interests whether through private market power or public manipulation</p>
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		<title>By: Noni Mausa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noni Mausa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m a bit of an innocent here, but why is the phrase &quot;special interests&quot; (as a pejorative) generally refer only to social interests like unions, illness affinity groups, cultural groups and intellectual/scientific associations?

It seems to me that associations of CEOs, chemical manufacturers, arms manufacturers, money jugglers and other well-funded interests are far more likely to distort statutes and tax systems and their economic environment.  I believe we have seen this demonstrated.

Noni</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m a bit of an innocent here, but why is the phrase &#8220;special interests&#8221; (as a pejorative) generally refer only to social interests like unions, illness affinity groups, cultural groups and intellectual/scientific associations?</p>
<p>It seems to me that associations of CEOs, chemical manufacturers, arms manufacturers, money jugglers and other well-funded interests are far more likely to distort statutes and tax systems and their economic environment.  I believe we have seen this demonstrated.</p>
<p>Noni</p>
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