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		<title>By: Lane Kenworthy</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2009/04/17/reducing-inequality-how-to-pay-for-it/#comment-1087</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lane Kenworthy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gordon: I&#039;ve now added a link in the post to another post showing how our tax system is essentially flat.

Zephyr and 2slugbaits: No, we shouldn&#039;t replace the income tax with a consumption tax, for a variety of reasons.

Matt: He&#039;d argue that the money is needed for a program that will provide broad benefits -- universal health care, high-quality child care, enhanced public transportation, supports for victims of economic change, and/or others. The expanded EITC would then function to partially or fully offset the increase in taxes. This would be a bit analogous to the EITC&#039;s initial rationale, which was to offset payroll taxes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gordon: I&#8217;ve now added a link in the post to another post showing how our tax system is essentially flat.</p>
<p>Zephyr and 2slugbaits: No, we shouldn&#8217;t replace the income tax with a consumption tax, for a variety of reasons.</p>
<p>Matt: He&#8217;d argue that the money is needed for a program that will provide broad benefits &#8212; universal health care, high-quality child care, enhanced public transportation, supports for victims of economic change, and/or others. The expanded EITC would then function to partially or fully offset the increase in taxes. This would be a bit analogous to the EITC&#8217;s initial rationale, which was to offset payroll taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2009/04/17/reducing-inequality-how-to-pay-for-it/#comment-1086</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a previous post you support a broad expansion of the EITC. So let&#039;s say President Obama had promised that instead of the MWP credit. How would he then justify raising taxes?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a previous post you support a broad expansion of the EITC. So let&#8217;s say President Obama had promised that instead of the MWP credit. How would he then justify raising taxes?</p>
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		<title>By: 2slugbaits</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2009/04/17/reducing-inequality-how-to-pay-for-it/#comment-1082</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[2slugbaits]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zephyr,

Today&#039;s VATs (mainly in the form of state and local sales taxes) have a fairly high self-enforcement rate, but I think that&#039;s largely because those taxes are not all that large and in most cases not worth the avoidance costs.  But if we start talking about adding a federal VAT to replace the income tax, then all bets are off.  Then you&#039;ll start seeing all kinds of tax avoidance schemes coming out of the wall.  

We need to go back to the philosophy of the Bradley 1986 tax reform; we need to flatten rates in exchange for broadening taxable income.  Prior to the 1986 tax reform, credit card interest was deductible.  Congress was right to eliminate that tax deduction.  The same should apply to mortgage interest rate deductions...although due to immediate problems in the houseing market it might not be a good idea to eliminate that deduction right away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zephyr,</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s VATs (mainly in the form of state and local sales taxes) have a fairly high self-enforcement rate, but I think that&#8217;s largely because those taxes are not all that large and in most cases not worth the avoidance costs.  But if we start talking about adding a federal VAT to replace the income tax, then all bets are off.  Then you&#8217;ll start seeing all kinds of tax avoidance schemes coming out of the wall.  </p>
<p>We need to go back to the philosophy of the Bradley 1986 tax reform; we need to flatten rates in exchange for broadening taxable income.  Prior to the 1986 tax reform, credit card interest was deductible.  Congress was right to eliminate that tax deduction.  The same should apply to mortgage interest rate deductions&#8230;although due to immediate problems in the houseing market it might not be a good idea to eliminate that deduction right away.</p>
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		<title>By: Zephyr</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2009/04/17/reducing-inequality-how-to-pay-for-it/#comment-1078</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zephyr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the attraction of a VAT is that it is simple and harder to avoid.

It also taxes people based on their lifestyle - the better you live the more you are taxed.  And the rich do indeed spend far more than the poor.
  
And a VAT could be structured to reduce the tax burden on the poor by exempting the most basic needs that dominate their budget.  Thus, it could be progressive. 

A VAT is less subject accounting gimmickry to reduce tax.  Besides, corporations just pass most of their income tax through to consumers anyway, in the pricing.  So the poor are already indirectly paying more tax than people recognize.

But I do not think we could rely entirely on a VAT.  The rate 
would be too high.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the attraction of a VAT is that it is simple and harder to avoid.</p>
<p>It also taxes people based on their lifestyle &#8211; the better you live the more you are taxed.  And the rich do indeed spend far more than the poor.</p>
<p>And a VAT could be structured to reduce the tax burden on the poor by exempting the most basic needs that dominate their budget.  Thus, it could be progressive. </p>
<p>A VAT is less subject accounting gimmickry to reduce tax.  Besides, corporations just pass most of their income tax through to consumers anyway, in the pricing.  So the poor are already indirectly paying more tax than people recognize.</p>
<p>But I do not think we could rely entirely on a VAT.  The rate<br />
would be too high.</p>
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		<title>By: gordon</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2009/04/17/reducing-inequality-how-to-pay-for-it/#comment-1075</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gordon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 23:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This comment (with links in place) appeared under Prof. Kenworthy&#039;s cross-post &lt;a href=&quot;http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/18/reducing-inequality-how-to-pay-for-it/#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here at Crooked Timber&lt;/a&gt;.

    Even if Prof. Kenworthy is right and the effective household rates over all forms of tax are effectively flat, is that an argument for introducing a regressive VAT?

    I note in passing that individual effective rates for all taxes in the US aren’t flat across income quintiles (ack. Economist’s View), and household rates for Federal taxes alone aren’t flat(.pdf) (ack. CBPP) either. That doesn’t prove that Prof. Kenworthy is wrong, but maybe he could give us a reference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comment (with links in place) appeared under Prof. Kenworthy&#8217;s cross-post <a href="http://crookedtimber.org/2009/04/18/reducing-inequality-how-to-pay-for-it/#comments" rel="nofollow">here at Crooked Timber</a>.</p>
<p>    Even if Prof. Kenworthy is right and the effective household rates over all forms of tax are effectively flat, is that an argument for introducing a regressive VAT?</p>
<p>    I note in passing that individual effective rates for all taxes in the US aren’t flat across income quintiles (ack. Economist’s View), and household rates for Federal taxes alone aren’t flat(.pdf) (ack. CBPP) either. That doesn’t prove that Prof. Kenworthy is wrong, but maybe he could give us a reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2009/04/17/reducing-inequality-how-to-pay-for-it/#comment-1074</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, when the &#039;inequality&#039; is reduced by taking money away from the highest earners what will people do about it?  Since most all of the &#039;inequality&#039; comes about through the upper end being much more educated than the lower end, as higher taxes start to bite our young people get a whiff of this they&#039;ll decide that college just isn&#039;t worth it any more.  So, gradually we&#039;ll get less and less highly educated people in the workplace (like in Europe).  And what this will mean is that our productivity and real GDP growth will decline.  People will react in their own best self interest, like it or not.  They just won&#039;t work their butts off knowing that a big piece of their effort will go to others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, when the &#8216;inequality&#8217; is reduced by taking money away from the highest earners what will people do about it?  Since most all of the &#8216;inequality&#8217; comes about through the upper end being much more educated than the lower end, as higher taxes start to bite our young people get a whiff of this they&#8217;ll decide that college just isn&#8217;t worth it any more.  So, gradually we&#8217;ll get less and less highly educated people in the workplace (like in Europe).  And what this will mean is that our productivity and real GDP growth will decline.  People will react in their own best self interest, like it or not.  They just won&#8217;t work their butts off knowing that a big piece of their effort will go to others.</p>
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		<title>By: beezer</title>
		<link>http://lanekenworthy.net/2009/04/17/reducing-inequality-how-to-pay-for-it/#comment-1070</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[beezer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m for using all available tools.  If a &quot;tweaked&quot; consumption tax, in combination with more pregressive tax rates, does the trick, then do it by all means!

The challenge is being able to convince the population that some strong benefit will result.  Universal health care is such a benefit that must be sold.  Unfortunately, it must also be delivered in relatively short order.  Incremental improvements won&#039;t turn the trick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m for using all available tools.  If a &#8220;tweaked&#8221; consumption tax, in combination with more pregressive tax rates, does the trick, then do it by all means!</p>
<p>The challenge is being able to convince the population that some strong benefit will result.  Universal health care is such a benefit that must be sold.  Unfortunately, it must also be delivered in relatively short order.  Incremental improvements won&#8217;t turn the trick.</p>
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